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|Some time ago, I had a request for information and pictures on TimberWest. Here is a reply I received from Paul Keenleyside.
TimberWest are still in operation. They took over much of what was the Crown Zellerbach (later Crown Forest and still later Fletcher Challenge) on the Central Island, plus they still operate the Courtenay Camp. TimberWest (I'll have to check because I took some video up there at the Gold River operation) also had the Gold River Operation which was originally Tahsis logging. TimberWest also took over some equipment that originally belonged to BC Forest Products. Most of the Big truckasauruses are gone now, except for those that are still running. Most have been replaced by small logging trucks the Kenworth W900's etc.
|This is a picture of two TimberWest Hayes trucks. The one on the left is an ex-Crown Zellerbach unit, the one on the right is an ex- BC Forest Products unit. This was taken at the Courtenay Divsion in June of 2002.|
|Ex: BC Forest Products Hayes with a TimberWest sticker on the operator's door.|
|This is a Mack CL350 that Mack made in the late 1970's to compete with Pacific (Hayes had since gone). This was the first CL350 brought into the forest. It's stationed at the Menzies Bay camp north of Campbell River. The cab is not original, and I'm not sure if this is a rebuilt truck or another one the division bought. They did get the first one, as the shop guy there told me and showed it to me when I was up there in the summer after they got it. Mack tried this truck, but from what I was able to gather, they didn't sell very many of them and the CL350 series was eventually discontinued.|
|An M and B (MacMillan Bloedel) Kelsey Bay Division Kenworth 850 logging truck. These were parked right up against a curb which seperated the end of Highway 19 from the camp. At that time, the Island Highway ended a few hundred feet north of camp, at the BC Ferries dock. There were about 10 of these lined up. But at that time (the alte 1970's), the logging divisions were largely open, and I never had any problem in taking pictures. Today the camps are largely fenced in, and in some of the more accessible ones, there's no access inside unless you know someone working there that day. That's largely due to the fact that some yahoos get a kick out of creative monkey wrenching equipment for their cause to save the forest.|
|This is a very late model Pacific P16 (probably finished just before they went out of business because it has the newer grille head. This was taken last summer (2002) at Weyerhaeuser's Cameron Divsion (which was originally M and B's). Weyerhaeuser has kept the original and very familiar M and B scarlet red truck paint and forest green hood tops, and retain M and B fleet numbers. The smaller Weyerhaeuser trucks bought new are just plain white.|
|A Hayes truck stationed at the Courtenay Division in original CZ (Crown Zellerbach) orange. The picture is quite faded as I took it in 1977.|
|Inside the cab of the CZ Hayes.|
|This picture of MB H437 was taken by me in September, 1978. The truck has the trailer in the travel position. The scoop in the front was unique to Menzies Bay trucks as it was placed on some trucks so that the truck could be a pusher for moving trailers around.||This is a picture taken of an M and B CL350 in February, 1978. The picture was taken at Columbia Trailers in Burnaby.||This is a shop picture of the Mack CL-350. MacMillian Blodel H437 was the first Mack CL-350 placed into service. This picture is at the Mack Trucks Nanaimo Shop. The picture comes from The Mack Bulldog, dated the first half of 1978. The truck itself was placed into service at M and B's Menzies Bay division in 1977. Worth noting is that this first truck was in its original factory yellow, not in M and B livery nor did it had H437 on it when it was first delivered. The cab unit is not unique to the CL350, as it was Mack's cab unit that was also used on coal haulers, and their larger pit trucks. The truck was powered by either a Detroit Diesel 12V-71, or Cummins KT-1150 mated to an Allison CLBT 5960 six speed power shift automatic with a hydraulic retarder. A Detroit Diesel 12V-71 with Allison HT-70 or CLBT automatic was a common power set on standard size logging trucks such as the CL-350, the Hayes HDX, Kenworth 850 and the Pacific P-16.|
|Reprinted ad that was placed in The Bulldog, and was used in many logging trade publications at the time. This is the Menzies Bay unit I think, as the unit is identical to the Menzies Bay one. There are no fleet markings on the doors.||Front page of a product brochure for the Hayes Clipper Cab over that was made on a Peterbilt based cab and chassis. The brochure dates from 1975, after Hayes was not part of the Signal Company group and discontinued using the Mack cab over for its Clipper 100 units.||Front page of a product brochure for the Hayes HD-400, the smallest of the line of off highway trucks. The brochure dates from 1969, at the time when Hayes was part of the Signal group.|
|This the "oldest" I have, an ad for Pacific that appeared in truck and fleet magazine. This one comes from Western Motor Fleet. It's the back of a reprint of an article about Pacific and how they managed to very quickly get the work done for the South African Railways with their big P12 model with the big nose.||This was a widely circulated sales item in the 1970's. The truck at the bottom is a new P16 painted in B.C. Forest Products livery. It also has a BCFP fleet number||Specification sheet for the P16. All Pacific spec sheets looked like this one until they were remade in the early 1980's.|
|This was the first brochure for the new P500 Canadian which was introduced into the marketplace in 1978.||Brochure for the P16 logging truck. Late 1970's to early 1980's as Pacific retooled the front end and gave the P16 a spiffy looking new look with a chromed stenciled name strip.||In the early 1980's, Pacific retooled their trucks with a spiffy looking new front end, and this brochure was made to advertise the new version of the P500. The grille was also eventually used on the P16 models|
|A sheet ad for the P500 / P10 logging truck. The BC plate on the truck dates from 1986 to 1987 as the 1988 and later "T" plates did not have the seasonal strip on them. It's also interesting to note that the ttruck in the picture has the same stock factory paint job as did an old P9 (picture of a P9 is here, too).||Taken at Columbia Trailer in Burnaby, this old P9 was in excellent condition. The P9 was an older model to the P10 series, and possibly the P10, P12 and P16 series.||A P10 logging truck taken at Beaver Cove at the north end of The Island in 1978.|
|P12 brought into Pacific Truck and Trailer from a mine in Utah.||A new P12 made for the oil field in Venezuela taken at Pacific Truck in North Vancouver.||The group of P12 Roughneck trucks freshly made for the Venezuelan oilfields.|
|The frame for a brand new P16 taken at Pacific Truck and Trailer.||A Pacific P16 that was used in Crown Zellerbach's Courtenay operations. Picture was taken at CZ's Courtenay Camp. This division used hayes HDX's and there was only this one P16 there.||Close look at the right side of a freshly made P16 at Pacific Truck and Trailer.|
|Left/front quadrant view of the freshly made P16.||Right/rear quadrant view of the P16, showing the water tank, and 12 foot bunks.||A P16 after a bad runaway. If you look closely at the carass, you'll see the automatic transmission just in front of the hood plate.|
|A freshly made P500 Canadian model. The P500 Canadian was a new fibreglass hood version of the P500 which ordinarily came with a steel hood. The P500 Canadian was a lighter version of the P500 steel hood, and was designed for regular highway use.||A P500 Canadian with self loading logging trailer in the travel position.||A P500 ready for a home at the International Harvester dealership in Coquitlam. This picture was taken before the "Canadian" series came out, in 1977.|
|A Pacific made 70 to 80 ton logging trailer. In the background is a P12 Roughneck that was going to Libya. The truck had adhesive labels that said "Pacific" in Arabic, along with the chrome on black "Pacific" plates.||Here is a picture of a Mack CL-350. This truck was being sent off to the Queen Charlottes. The picture was taken somewhere in Vancouver Harbour.|
|A face to face view of the Butler Brothers Mark 5. This is a "low profile" truck.||A right side view of the Butler Brothers Mark 5. The truck used the larger sized wheels and tires that would be found on the Hayes HDX, The Kenworth 850, and the Pacific P16. the truck was four axles and 12 wheels (two duals at the rear). I would imagine that the steering geometry would have allowed the front rear axle to turn as the front forward axle does, just like a two front axle Mack truck does.||This was an ad that was placed for the truck in a 1977 edition of an equipment sales newspaper called The Supply Post.|
|Hayes HD 400 Brochure Pages|
|Here are a few pictures of a Vancouver Fire Department Scot / Thibault C1FD. There were a few of these with the Vancouver Fire Department, but this one was the last one they had. It has since been removed from the fleet. When it was here, it was a training vehicle. It was stationed here because the field training facility for the VFD is a short distance away.|
|The North Vancouver Fire Department has (or had) a cab over Pacific fire pumper. There weren't too many of those made. Vancouver had one, but I don't know where it went to. Here is a picture from the North Vancouver District Fire Department of Engine 11, a Pacific Fire engine|
|Brockway was one of those manufacturers who - like Pacific and Hayes - made their own trucks from the axles up, and in the case of the Huskiteer and a conventional model, made their own cab and hood assembly. Brockway did make their own Cab over, but used the Mack Cab that was used in the 1970's, the one that preceded the Cruiseliner in the late 1970's. The pictures were taken in 1977.
The second is from Sidney Freight. Sidney used to run a regular freight route from their yard on Gilmore in Burnaby over to Victoria. They used mostly White cab forwards for city pickup and delivery work, but also had this Brockway.
I have no idea how these Brockways ended up in Vancouver, as Brockway was mostly an Eastern U.S. truck (in as much as Western Stars would have been a rare find back then in New Jersey).
Brockway went out of business in the late 1970s. They were prior to closing out a part of the Signal Group which at the time also had Mack before Mack went back to being independently owned again. Hayes was also part of the Signal Group for a short time (during that time they also used the same Mack Cab over used in Mack trucks during the 1970's - after the trademark boxy cab over with the overhead instrument panel, and before Hayes went with the Peterbilt 352 cab over.
|This first is from Trans-Valley which used to run milk tankers from Abbotsford and Chillwack to Lucerne, and I think they also were contracted for Dairyland, but Dairyland had their own fleet, the familar cream with red frame trucks.|
|This second is from Sidney Freight. Sidney used to run a regular freight route from their yard on Gilmore in Burnaby over to Victoria. They used mostly White cab forwards for city pickup and delivery work, but also had this Brockway.|
|This Diamond T cabover was at the Coquitlam, BC International Harvester dealership when I took this picture in 1978. It's the dump truck between the Transtar 4300 and the GMC.|
|Reo also taken in 1978, but in the Kent Street area of Southeast Vancouver, BC. There was a truck yard down there, and found this in the distance so used a telephoto lens to grab a picture. This is a bit interesting as the Reo uses the same cab as the Diamond T's of the same time. In the late 1970's there was a Diamond-Reo dealership in Seattle, but never got to it.|
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